Thanks Mike, this is exactly the jolt we need to think about what is being demanded of women. I'm currently caring for my elderly mother, after spending 20 years as a SAHM (and 5 years as a homeschool parent teacher when the schools fell apart during the pandemic) doing ALL THE CARE WORK.
Thank goodness your mother has you, as well as your children, but I’m sorry for how much of it is put on your shoulders, as well as women’s shoulders. Bit by bit, I hope we can change this expectation from what it is now to a shared responsibility. Thank you for always being in my corner!
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. That's been a reasonable sarcastic response to a great deal of the hypocrisy surrounding abortion. I have in the past found myself deeply wishing that every man in those all male rooms, busy declaring abortion requires criminalization, would wake up the very next day female and four months pregnant. We could all watch the keystone cops race to the nearest abortion provider of ninety five percent of them. That last 5% willing to live their convictions I could respect while still disagreeing with them.
I think you fundamentally don't understand pro life arguments.
They think abortion is murder. They don't think women should be able to do it because they don't think anyone should be able to. We see pro life objections to say, things that happen in labs with human zygotes where it is entirely possible for there to not be a single woman involved.
The intuitive moral difference between actively killing someone vs passively letting them die is well trodden ground at this point. This difference is generalizable, so it isn't hypocrisy, nor is compelling individual people on the basis of immutable factors based off high-level group statistics even a remotely similar moral issue in that abortion is treating women as individuals and not engaging in group punishment.
If you want to engage in the abortion debate, you should actually engage in the abortion debate.
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>Undoubtedly, some critics will argue that the Act represents an intrusion on individual bodily autonomy. They will say that no government has the right to conscript a man’s body, his time, his physical labor, in service of a greater good he does not agree to.
The US government literally only does this on the basis of sex to men. It is completely legal for the government to draft young men to go die without regard for if those men agree with that cause or not. There are men who would be alive today if this hadn't been done to them, and literally the current President of the United States is criticized in part for how e dodged this.
I don't accept the premise that this is about murder. Yes, that's the stated argument but the behaviour tells a different story.
If pro-lifers genuinely believed every fetus was a person whose death must be prevented, then it would be fair to expect the same political coalition to fight just as hard for children after birth: universal childcare, paid parental leave, expanded child tax credits, food assistance, healthcare, the list goes on. Instead, the people writing abortion legislation are overwhelmingly the same people cutting those programs. To me, that's not a contradiction. It's a tell.
I've stopped accepting the stated reasons of men in power at face value. When the policy demands controlling women's bodies and the same coalition opposes every policy that would actually support the lives they claim to be saving, the murder framing starts looking like cover for something else.
At the end of they day, saying "they say it's about murder" is not proof that it is.
People are capable of having contradictory beliefs. Nothing about having such a conflict makes either belief not genuine.
That said, nothing about opposing murder implies support for social safety net style programs. You can simultaneously believe it isn't the place of the state to actively help parents, while saying parents can't kill (what is viewed as) their children.
Abortion isn't some issue where a small cabal of men in power are the ones calling the shots, there are literally millions and millions of Americans alone who are pro-life. It is an absurd conspiracy theory that they are all lying about their beliefs.
Thanks Mike, this is exactly the jolt we need to think about what is being demanded of women. I'm currently caring for my elderly mother, after spending 20 years as a SAHM (and 5 years as a homeschool parent teacher when the schools fell apart during the pandemic) doing ALL THE CARE WORK.
Thank goodness your mother has you, as well as your children, but I’m sorry for how much of it is put on your shoulders, as well as women’s shoulders. Bit by bit, I hope we can change this expectation from what it is now to a shared responsibility. Thank you for always being in my corner!
You’re welcome! Thanks for fighting the good fight!
Impressive Mike, thank you.
😌🙏 thank you
I was about to rip you a new one then realized this was a thought exercise to get a point across. Yeah, I agree.
Thanks so much for reading it, Zelinda. I debated whether to have the punchline right at the start but decided against it. Glad you stuck with it 😌🙏
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. That's been a reasonable sarcastic response to a great deal of the hypocrisy surrounding abortion. I have in the past found myself deeply wishing that every man in those all male rooms, busy declaring abortion requires criminalization, would wake up the very next day female and four months pregnant. We could all watch the keystone cops race to the nearest abortion provider of ninety five percent of them. That last 5% willing to live their convictions I could respect while still disagreeing with them.
I think you fundamentally don't understand pro life arguments.
They think abortion is murder. They don't think women should be able to do it because they don't think anyone should be able to. We see pro life objections to say, things that happen in labs with human zygotes where it is entirely possible for there to not be a single woman involved.
The intuitive moral difference between actively killing someone vs passively letting them die is well trodden ground at this point. This difference is generalizable, so it isn't hypocrisy, nor is compelling individual people on the basis of immutable factors based off high-level group statistics even a remotely similar moral issue in that abortion is treating women as individuals and not engaging in group punishment.
If you want to engage in the abortion debate, you should actually engage in the abortion debate.
Edit:
>Undoubtedly, some critics will argue that the Act represents an intrusion on individual bodily autonomy. They will say that no government has the right to conscript a man’s body, his time, his physical labor, in service of a greater good he does not agree to.
The US government literally only does this on the basis of sex to men. It is completely legal for the government to draft young men to go die without regard for if those men agree with that cause or not. There are men who would be alive today if this hadn't been done to them, and literally the current President of the United States is criticized in part for how e dodged this.
I don't accept the premise that this is about murder. Yes, that's the stated argument but the behaviour tells a different story.
If pro-lifers genuinely believed every fetus was a person whose death must be prevented, then it would be fair to expect the same political coalition to fight just as hard for children after birth: universal childcare, paid parental leave, expanded child tax credits, food assistance, healthcare, the list goes on. Instead, the people writing abortion legislation are overwhelmingly the same people cutting those programs. To me, that's not a contradiction. It's a tell.
I've stopped accepting the stated reasons of men in power at face value. When the policy demands controlling women's bodies and the same coalition opposes every policy that would actually support the lives they claim to be saving, the murder framing starts looking like cover for something else.
At the end of they day, saying "they say it's about murder" is not proof that it is.
People are capable of having contradictory beliefs. Nothing about having such a conflict makes either belief not genuine.
That said, nothing about opposing murder implies support for social safety net style programs. You can simultaneously believe it isn't the place of the state to actively help parents, while saying parents can't kill (what is viewed as) their children.
Abortion isn't some issue where a small cabal of men in power are the ones calling the shots, there are literally millions and millions of Americans alone who are pro-life. It is an absurd conspiracy theory that they are all lying about their beliefs.
right that’s why “they” vote against the death penalty and oppose war. 🙄